Ciat-Lonbarde Sidrassi Schematic

Peter Blasser’s Sidrassi circuit was the first incarnation of an evolution of his design for a seven-oscillator organ.  Others have told the story well.

Fans of the Sidrassi/Sidrazzi/Sidrax have never to my knowledge had access to a schematic diagram, either by Peter B. in his inimical style (as we have of the Tetrazzi) or by anyone else.  I could be mistaken.  But we do have a detailed graphic of the hand-assembled PC board for the Sidrassi, pictured above.

Working from a printout of this graphic, I reverse engineered a schematic diagram so that we can get more insight into the design.  We already know how it works, as a black box.  But I’ve always wondered what the ‘glitch’ inputs actually did.  The answer is not surprising, but is revealing.

I hand drew the following three schematics.  The first contains the oscillator proper with all of its modulation inputs.  (You should be seeing v1.1, which adds a truth table and corrects the circuit around the glitch inputs.) The second contains the dual VCA, operated by the bars, that goes with each channel.  The third schematic collects up some of the common areas of the circuit.  All op amps are from TL084 quad DIP.

Nodes are the external patch points, six per section:  Frequency Modulation in, Pulse out, two Glitch inputs, two Bar outputs.  My drawing shapes for the nodes correspond to the graphics around the node lands on the PC board.

Oscillator

I drew the Oscillator #4 perspective to show that the chaos modulation comes from Oscillator #5, and how the bounds modulation oscillators are related to #4.  This continues in a ring around all seven oscillators.  The upper, middle section of the drawing is the VCO proper.  Current from pin 12 of an LM13700 OTA charges the hairy capacitor (value unspecified), which is buffered by an op amp and sent to other parts of the Sidrassi as Internal CH 4 Out.  This is the triangle wave (brought out to the red banana jack on the Sidrax).  On Sidrassi the output node is a pulse.

FM

Frequency (oscillator pitch) is determined by a mix of four sources.  First, the master frequency pot which drives all oscillators, second, by the Scroll sample & hold button, third by an FM input node, and finally from the next Oscillator through a VCA made from the other half of the OTA and operated by the Chaos pot to control the modulation depth.

Bounds Modulation

More Peter Blasser genius.  An 8-to-1 selector (4051) has the logic bit A switched by the rate of the oscillator itself.  By default it chooses a lower bound of 0.25 Vcc and upper bound of 0.75 Vcc.  With Vcc of 9 volts, these points are 2.25V and 6.75V, making for a 4.5V P-P triangle wave.  This is the default, until a glitch input is gated on.

The glitch inputs create two binary signals to control the 8-to-1 selector (4051) for choosing a pair of the other internal channel outs (out of six) to impact the upper and lower bounds of the oscillator.  Inputs C, B, A of the 4051 constitute a three bit control for the selector.  See the truth table in the diagram.  Without active glitch inputs C is low, B low, and A toggles at the rate of oscillation to create the default bounds.  With glitch inputs active, the multiplexer will select two of the other six oscillators for bounds modulation.  Since bit A is driven by the pulse of the same oscillator, the they will be switched between at that rate.  Thus, with the B glitch input active, the bounds will be determined by inputs 2 and 3 (which for oscillator #4 are oscillators #5 and #6).  With only C input active the bounds are set by inputs 4 and 5.  And with both glitch inputs active the bounds are set by inputs 6 and 7.  It seems that at times the lower bound will be higher than the upper bound, confusing the oscillator.  As intended!

Scroll

The big red scroll button imparts a random offset to the frequency.  It’s a clever circuit that oscillates while the button is pressed and then holds a value on release.  These were replaced with slide pots on Sidrax, a concession to ‘playability’.  A hairy scroll capacitor sets the rate.  I don’t know what the value was.

Bars and VCAs

Pressing the bars gates the signal from an oscillator through to the output mixer.  I’m not sure which is the left and right channel.  The schematic shows the internal CH 4 output being routed to the inputs of two transistor VCAs.  The piezo transducer glued to the bar controls each channel inversely.  Bar press and release CV outputs are present at a connector for the two nodes (orange banana jacks on the Sidrax).  The outputs of the VCAs route to the left and right output mixers through 22K resistors.  (These resistors are shown on both the above and below schematics.)

Common Circuitry

The output mixers are shown to the left.  Just a simple FET buffer, much like Lil Sidrassi.  The pots for master frequency and chaos are shared by all seven oscillators.  Mido is Peter’s way of referring to a middle voltage between Vcc and ground.  I show it as a little circle.  Mido is buffered by an op amp and distributed across the board.

I did not draw the power circuitry, because I couldn’t fully understand it.  There seems to be a spot for a battery on the board.  I can see a power inlet with a switch to cut off the battery if external power is connected, much like other of Peter’s designs.  However there is a three-pin location with strange symbols around it.  Please comment if you have any idea what this was for.

17 Responses to Ciat-Lonbarde Sidrassi Schematic

  1. Richard says:

    I updated the oscillator schematic diagram and corrected the explanation of how glitch works.

  2. Lars / Aural Antithesis says:

    Have you built any of these from your schematic or the Ciat Lonbarde picture?

  3. Richard says:

    Lars, no, I haven’t built a DIY Sidrassi. It would be difficult without a PC board, and I do have a Sidrazzi. I’ve recently been giving a Tetrazzi PC board (based on the Tetrazzi paper circuit) and I will eventually built that one. I’ll need to figure out how to make DIY bars, too. The Sid would need seven! Tet only four.

  4. Lars / Aural Antithesis says:

    I have been kind of obsessing over these. With your link above to the Sidrazzi project I saw that years ago Mr. Blasser was willing to supply pre soldered SMD sidrazzi PCBs. I was hopeful I might be able to get one of those, but PB did not respond to my email, and neither did patch point with an email request. (sad face)
    so now it seems like i have a couple of options.
    save up for a sidrax.
    start the long process of understanding this circuit enough to build my own.
    Or settle for the Tetrazzi… which seems like the most accessible option..

  5. Richard says:

    Did you mean settle for the Tetrax? Because new Tetrazzis aren’t available anymore. Have you looked around for used Ciat-Lonbarde instruments? Although I was lucky to be gifted a Tetrazzi PC board (it”s huge), those aren’t generally available either. I don’t have a Tetrax. But I do have a Sidrax and a Tetrazzi, and of the two I prefer to play the Tetrazzi, largely because of its sounds (I like the harshness). Also I like the bigger bars on the Tetrazzi.

    So I would recommend first looking for some used Sid or Tet and if you can’t find what you want, consider getting a new Tetrax. I do not recommend building a paper circuit Tetrazzi, because Peter said it has too much cross talk to be a decent instrument.

  6. Michael DeVito says:

    Heyo, I’m Mike. Been studying these very closely to design an organus style synth of my own, and these are integral to gaining more base understanding of circuitry! Question about the oscillator pitch control: What is the scroll cap(can’t find a definition I understand online) , is it for the sensitivity of the pitch control?

  7. Richard says:

    Hi Mike,

    There is more about the scroll circuits in another post, on Tetrazzi.

    https://pugix.com/synth/tetrazzi-large-pcb/

    Peter Blasser used the word ‘scroll’ for this combination LFO/Sample & Hold circuit. The capacitor both sets the rate of the LFO (when button is pressed) and holds the voltage constant when the button is released. A value of 1 microfarad works well here. I suggest breadboarding a scroll circuit, so you can select the capacitor and resistor values that work best for you.

  8. Mike DeVito says:

    Hey, it’s Mike again. Was looking at this board again, and noticed writing under some traces. I believe from the board it says yyy is 470k ohm and xxx is 4k7 ohm! In black writing toward below the center of the board. Also what value pots would you suggest for freq/chaos pots?

  9. Richard says:

    Those yyy and xxx values could be right. The only way to tell would be to try them. The frequency and chaos pots could be 50K or 100K linear.

  10. Mike DeVito says:

    Awesome, thanks for the suggestions. Vca is next on the breadboard!

  11. Robin Dufour says:

    Hello Richard !
    first, thanks a lot for your work around ciat-based stuff !

    Now I’ve got on breadboard two of the sidrazzi oscillators and none wants to work properly :
    when the I/O pin 3 of the 4051 is connected it doesn’t oscillate, but when it is not, it’s kinda works with limited high frequency range and triangle wave is more a 6vpp…
    Also, there is something really strange about the two bounds inputs : with 1M resistors it will not give 2.25 nor 6.75v but rather 1.25 and 3.50v even when tested just on power supply !
    I really don’t get it : )))
    Thanks a lot for your help if you could !

    Finally I reversed the sidrassi board and find a lot of different values and a better bar vca and mixer (differential noise cancelling amplifiers as he said) i wish i could send you a schematic !

  12. Richard says:

    Hi Robin,

    Cool project! Let’s look at the voltage dividers on the glitch inputs. The input going to pin 10 is dividing Mido in half, so it should be 2.25V. The input to pin 13 is half way between Mido and +9V, or 6.75V, as you’ve said. You can measure these without the op amp in place. The idea is these op amps are comparing against Mido (4.5V) on pins 9 and 12. With no glitch inputs, we want both outputs to be near to 0V to keep the B and C pins of the 4051 low. This sets the normal bounds established by the fixed voltages on pins 13 and 14. If you’re not seeing that, there must be a wiring mistake. It shouldn’t matter what’s on the rest of the input pins, but during development these are best tied to 0V or to Mido. If you fix this problem it should oscillate. Let me know how it goes.

  13. Robin Dufour says:

    Hi Richard,

    Thank you for your very fast answer 🙂
    I breadboard two more and now I’ve got the right voltages, (there was obviously wiring mistakes as you said) but it still not oscillate when pin 3 and pin 11 of the 4051 are connected to + and out of the 084, the only way to make it oscillate is to reverse those (3–>out 11–>+)… but then, the glitch inputs does not work anymore. Maybe the HCF4051 are not the good ones ? i ordered other (HCT4051) and try it asap

  14. Richard says:

    Robin, you need to use CD4051BE. Don’t use HCF or HCT chips. And I recommend Texas Instruments.

  15. Robin Dufour says:

    oooh, too bad ! Ok, time to order some, I’ll tell you how it works ! Thank you !

  16. Richard says:

    Out of curiosity, Robin, what do you have for the +9 volt power supply?

  17. Robin Dufour says:

    I use a RT-65C (+/-15v power supply) with the power circuitry of the sidrazzi (essentialy a L7809cv with a 1N4001 in series with the input, and a P6KE10A ->anode to Gnd & 1µf cap to ground at the output) : )

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